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7/7 The Authority Smashing! Hour

anarcho-heartWelcome to the Authority Samshing! Hour!!!

Many of the links related to today’s topics are here.

Topics Discussed:

1. Iran
2. Xingjiang, China
3. Honduran Coup
4. Stella D’Oro Strike
5. Homestead Strike
6. G20

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11 comments on “7/7 The Authority Smashing! Hour

  1. Tyler
    July 7, 2009

    Regarding Stella D’Oro,

    This might seem unrealistic as hell. I am trying to imagine how the Stella D’Oro workers would take over a factory and run it themselves.

    Before I get into that, I’m just curious how this strike has already affected profits for the company. Have the strikers made any dent in the companies’ profits through this stike? Will the closing of the factory cost the company money?

    What I’m hoping is that this strike has already had an impact on the company, and that the companies actions to address this strike (closing the factory) are costing. I hope that any future workers for this company will do the same thing, forcing the company to eventually cave into their demands.

    Now onto my theoretical idea of workers taking over the factory. This seems like a rather hopeless prospect. However, I’ve heard it has been done in places like Argentina, and France, so why couldn’t it happen in the US?

    Could the workers take the risk of squatting in the factory? Could some of them make contacts with logistics (trucking) companies so that they can sell the cookies themselves? Suppose they do take over the factory, but the owners stop paying the utilities. Maybe they could pay the utilities themselves? Or (very hypothetically) protect the power lines from being cut?

    All this is pretty theoretical, and I think most people would call me crazy for even suggesting it. However, most people think I’m crazy when I so much as even suggest that “anarchism” is good. Besides, I’m talking about actual tactics that might be used IF the Stella D’Oro workers consider doing this. Maybe this can be suggested to them? Or else I’m just daydreaming.

  2. Tyler
    July 8, 2009

    yeah, i agree that a lot of anarchists are sadomasochistic with these G-20 protests. i read a lot of zines from anarchists talking about fighting with cops and getting tear gassed, and talking about how this is their first taste of freedom. it’s pretty crazy. definitely needs more intelligent tactical discussions.

  3. Anti-Bomber
    July 8, 2009

    mr1001nights’s comment about the mechanization of the military, in reference to the drone strikes, raises some problems for those who would endorse such mechanization.

    If a military commander (president, general, etc.) is willing to bomb people with drones, then he should also be willing to shoot those people.

    If he’s willing to shoot them, then he should be willing to stab them.

    If he’s willing to stab them, then he should be willing to strangle them.

    By insulating himself behind layers of technology, by hiding behind the subordinates who actually press that little red button, the military commander believes that his hands are free of blood.

    He is mistaken. He is awash in blood.

    President Obama is awash in blood.

    Instead of giving the order to bomb people with drones, he should give the order to have those people captured and brought before him, and he should choke the life out of them with his bare hands.

    But of course such barbarity is beneath such a high office. *sneer*

    • jrpigg
      July 8, 2009

      I’m not so sure they don’t realize what they’re doing … that they don’t realize the bloodbath they unleash. But modern technology does allow a couple of important things to happen vis-a-vis war:

      1. Reduce casualties for “our” side, dulling the impact of war on “our” psyches.

      2. Distancing “our” side from the action, dulling the impact of war on “our” psyches.

      These things not only make it easier to wage war but also make it easier exponentially increase the scale and scope of war.

      So it’s not that these butchers don’t know what they’re doing … it’s that they’re task becomes too easy. And, the easiest wars are the worst.

  4. Tyler
    July 12, 2009

    when I try to state the obvious fact that Obama is a murderer, it shocks people. They demand enormous quantities of hard facts for me to justify such a statement. But if I say the same thing about Ahmedinejad, or Kim Jong Il, or Osama Bin Laden, I don’t need a shred of evidence.

    This is more evidence of the propoganda model.

    • dave
      July 12, 2009

      Tyler,

      Yes, it’s evidence of the propaganda model. It’s also not a horrible thing. It’s important that we have evidence to back up our claims. You can apparently call Obama a “Marxists” with no evidence. But to say he’s a murderer, which is much more obvious, you need lots of evidence. Sadly that’s the world we live in.

      dave

  5. Tyler
    July 12, 2009

    A video about drone attacks in Pakistan

  6. jrpigg
    July 12, 2009

    Thanks for the history lesson David … I love that stuff. 🙂

    Homestead is one of my favorite moments in Labor history. It’s an instance where we see that the power of a capitalist “private tyranny” proved too ineffective, on it’s own, to respond worker radicalism. The Pinkertons (i.e.: private police force) were soundly defeated by a motivated group of workers with support from their town, and the National Guard’s deployment clearly demonstrates that capital ultimately needs the state (and vice versa) to control the workers.

    To maybe link this history to more current trends in the labor movement, I think we should take a glance at the Southern hemisphere, especially the FaSinPa developments in Argentina over the last 10 yrs or so. The outcome of Homestead is quite a contrast to the outcome acheived in similar circumstances ~100 yrs at Zanon, the flashpoint of FaSinPa. Perhaps the biggest difference between these outcomes is the relative power (resources, popular support, size) of the states involved.

    The smaller and weaker the state, the easier our struggle against capital becomes.

    p.s.: anything to look forward to for this upcoming week’s episode? Maybe China stuff? Or … w/the Honduras situation in & out of the news, isn’t it striking, by comparison, how little attention was paid to Peru’s jack booted repression of native rights last month?

  7. abortabraham
    July 13, 2009

    I don’t know if you’re aware of brainpolice2’s new outing of the libertarian right (conservatarians), but I recommend you check it out, maybe send him an invite to be a guest on the show. I can vouch that his experience with the right has been similar to mine, and he was able to see the hypocrisy behind libertarians/anarcho capitalists who want to be monarchs, white nationalists, and all sorts of exclusive groups. Its what we’ve always said, they just want to privatize the state. We had a chat in the comments and I pretty much got a feel that he gets it, he understands what the right is about and sees through the bs. I know you’ve both interacted with him in the past and I always saw him as right leaning, a Mises guy, so I think its noteworthy that he says in his own words,

    “How hollow your opposition to the state is. Who will I piss off this time? I don’t care. I realize that some of you are simply well-meaning people who don’t realize what you’ve gotten into, that you may not be explicitly conservative, but you may have gobbled up conservative propaganda because it has appealed to liberty. Out of your blindness and your desire to be part of a broad liberatory movement, some of you have associated yourself with some of the most extreme authoritarians out there without realizing it. Hopefully you will become disillusioned with this stuff like I did, and take up the mantle of the real libertarian movement – which resides on THE LEFT.”

    Couldn’t have said it better. I would like to hear your thoughts on this.

  8. jrpigg
    July 14, 2009

    I’m still waiting for brainpolice to realize that private ownership of the means of production, (capitalist) property, necessarily & ultimately leads to social injustice.

    But, he has come a long way from where he was just a couple years ago, and that movement is quite a testament to him (his intelligence, his curiosity, his dedication, etc …). At this rate, he should be an anarcho-syndicalist by this time next year. 😉

  9. 9r33n
    July 26, 2009

    Nice show guys;
    I’m surelly gonna read Prison Memoirs of an Anarchist:

    http://www.anarchyisorder.org/CD4%20Contents.htm

    Please sugest any other books during the show.

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